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[spoiler]thats part of the soundtrack [/spoiler]

I liked it a lot.

I seemed to like Two Face better, the Joker just seemed to different than how I've seen him, though that's usually from the animated series. That, and the laugh was off.

The Joker had a very Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth feel to him. He was smart, ruthless, and more of a sociopath than a comic book villain. Truth be told, I do not like Superhero comics. I prefer when the whole Superhero shtick is deconstructed to the point of a James Ellroy crime novel. That's why I love Watchmen so much. The Joker was more of a Kevin Spacey from Se7en style criminal; merciless, yet clever enough to get you on his side. The only Batman comics I like are The Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum, and The Dark Knight Returns.

Mostly it was he was more massacre psychopath that loony laughing headcase. Yeah, he is a serial killer, but he just didn't have enough of that funny ha ha side, just a funny cynical psycho thing. I know Heath had to read a couple of those comics you mentioned for the part, read that somewhere, but apparently he didn't care for then. Maybe its because I like humour and action in mine, which is why I aim towards Iron Man or Deadpool.

I actually really liked how his whole purpose was to prove to Batman that people are instinctively evil. I also liked how he manipulated people. He tricked Harvey; Joker had nothing to gain from him becoming Two Face, it was just a fun thing to do and a way to further prove his point to Batman. I enjoy transhuman characters who function psychologically on a plane far removed from societal norms. Joker had no motives, and that just made him scarier, and better.

[spoiler]Honestly, I know that I've played too many FPS' when I'm watching the heist at the beginning, and counting the number of shotgun shells the guy fired.[/spoiler]

Joker was amazing, nobody could ever hope to hold a candle to Heath Ledger. That being said, it was an amazing movie.

Indeed, not saying Heath didn't do a good job, it was phenomenal, but it just wasn't the same as the Joker I was accustomed to. Which is why I took Two Face better, mostly because how it deals with things. Also yeah, the whole psychological "Everyone can be corrupted" idea, that was really well done.

I thought it was an amazing movie. People kept asking me to describe it and all I could tell them is

"It's as awesome as fight club but with batman and the best villain since Kevin Spacey in Seven. Then you add another hour of booty kicking and you'll have the Dark Knight."

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who made that connection.

Well, I haven't seen se7en, so...

Heath ledger's joker is alot more brutal and sadistic then Jack Nicholson, and That I love. Don't get me wrong, Jack Nicholson=one of the greatest actors of all time with his joker performance being one of his most well known. But the fact is that even though the joker tried to make jokes(In whatever sense that they were) He was also very sadistic and uncaring to anything at all.

Everything and anything which he did he laughed at it-It wasn't supposed to be the audience who laughs, it was a joke which only his sick and twisted mind would understand(Talk about an inside joke).

nicholson had the flamboyance but didn't quite capture the sadistic nature as much. I mean the joker is the greatest villain and arch enemy of batman, so unless you had something to prove this[spoiler](I.E. in this movie killing rachel dawes(Which was one of the biggest shocks of the whole daisies movie) [/spoiler]He was just a flamboyant murderer.

Ledgers performance showed a much more real version of the comic version(Primarily because it was in real life). It made you believe that that kind of psychopath could exist out there.

Still, the best part about the joker was that he had no real set goal or ambition. Ra's al ghoul(Liam neeson) from batman begins attempted to have gotham destroy itself with the help of the scarecrows toxins. That's makes him a schemer. every other batman villain had certain motives for what they did(Why they did it in gotham instead of going to the next town over, I'll never know) which made them all schemers.



Does that look like someone who has a plan?

He was just out for some daisies fun! Admitidly His version of fun is different form most peoples.

Harvey two face's face was spot on. plus-HE OBEYED WHAT THE COIN TOSS WAS THIS TIME He didn't re-do the toss because he wanted someone dead, and he really wanted people dead.

I thought Ledger's Joker was a bit too focused on physical sadism and suffering, even at his most cruel Joker enjoys cruel irony and psychic pain to just cutting up people. Other than that I really enjoyed that they went for a sort-of shotgun approach and made him a mix of all his previous incarnations.

Joker does have goals in the movie (this is where the influence from the Killing Joke really shows), the one of his main goals is to prove that all it takes to turn the sanest man alive into a lunatic is one bad day (see Harvey's fate) and that in extreme situations people will betray each other and overthrow all of their petty morals (ship scene). He wants to prove that he is not alone in his lunacy.

Yeah like when he flipped the coin again to kill the driver and with him the mobsters when the first coin toss failed. This and the whole "revenge" theme are my only griefs with him though, he was pretty cool.

All in all a great summer blockbuster, the best one in years and the best comic-inspired movie since Sin City.

I saw a thread on one of the *chans the other day proposing David Tennant (the Tenth Doctor from Doctor Who and Barty Crouch Jr. from Goblet of Fire) as the Riddler. Personally, I think that would be fucking awesome.